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Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:16

Discussion thread for episode 12.21.

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  • Radiamcegrace

    Wow, just WOW! I have not been following Greys every week and tonight just watched last weeks episode along with tonight's. I found myself feeling sorry for
    AZ on multiple levels. Not understanding Alec right now. I cannot believe he would not stand by Az in court. Thank God, some of the characters are with her in court next week. I guess I was not taking it seriously Sara is leaving. Is anyone saying this will turn around? Hard to watch all of this. I am not clear when the finale is? This SL concerning custody of Sophia is heart breaking and I cannot for,the life of me wrap my head around the way Callie is behaving.

  • Radiancegrace

    Oops, misspelled Radiancegrace in my haste

  • Chips

    All I have to say about tonight episode is....I was bored sick!

  • Ukgreys

    Well, another major let down. This season has been consistent - consistently bad. Sigh, Az is being given such a rough ride, if things don't turn around the writers should be charged with character cruelty for her and character assassination for Callie. Watching Callie has become cringeworthy.

    Perhaps in true Shonda style, Callie will realise her one true love was Az ..... Run in slow motion to her....only to be hit my O'Malleys bus ? Possible finale??
    :P

  • Mia

    Wow,paging the real Callie Torres to please stand up,because I do not know who you are anymore.Where's Callies heart?Remember when she cared to much about others?Where o where did she go?I find her Character off putting. Very strange.Not liking this season at all.
    Disappointed so far.

  • Radiancegrace

    I hope the interests of the child come first and Az wins custody. Az surely deserves something positive in her life to happen, at this point. I hate how the writers constantly write for her to get the short end of the stick, or, so, it seems to me. I am beginning to like Penny. I find it odd I am feeling so, yet, it's happening.

  • mfeo

    I think Alex was right to not get in the middle of these two...they both love Sofia and are both good parents. I would not want to be asked to choose sides... the whole SL sucks. If Sara does leave I guess her happyily ever after will be with Penny and I guess Arizona will get hers maybe next season. I firmly believe these two are done...I think after the whole leg thing and AZ hating and blaming Callie it was all down hill from there...then she cheated, then starting sleeping with Leah. Callie is just an idiot now...looking back now I can see they never really stood a chance..and Shonda just has us tuning in over and over...

  • ukfan

    Yet to watch it why was Penny likable?

  • Radiancegrace

    She simply does not come across as the bad guy. Callie does, to me, though
    Am I mssing something? Callie is the one responsible for leaving Az and now attempting to take Sophia away. I find Penny totally unattractive and unable to equal the chemistry Az had with Callie. Yet, I am no longer seeing her as some one who intentionally came between them. They were done. I hold Callie accountable for her thoughtlessness.

  • ukfan

    It was a culmination of problems that caused Callie to walk away and had we heard their story in more than one episode we would probably have a better understanding as to why she needed to walk away. Then we had two years of Callie supposedly being free and having fun to her feeling the moment had come along for her to settle down but again these are things we never saw on screen. To me Penny is just collateral damage; Callie is obviously trying to push being happy for herself without realising other people’s feelings in this. It bugs me in that episode where Penny was making a decision whether to leave or not that Callie kept on saying “this is the moment” like she was trying to re-write her past mistakes with Arizona by ensuring that she is doing it right this time.

  • Radiancegrace

    I agree with you, Ukfan. You said this very well

  • mfeo

    Hey Ukfan, Penny was likeable cause she took the high road. She was put on AZ's service and AZ basically had a huge meltdown in the cafeteria in front of everyone including Penny...Penny didn't say a thing...then later when she told callie she was on AZ's service and Callie asked her how it went...Was AZ mean to her she said no she was great...she seems to understand how hard this is on AZ and really doesn't want to get in the middle.
    It was callie's decision to leave...not Penny's.
    Really Penny has done nothing wrong...people don't like her cause they blame her for callie and az not being together but they were done years ago...Sorry guys but Callie seems to be happy with Penny. I agree the chemistry is not there but I don't feel at all like she is still in love with AZ

  • Radiancegrace

    This is what I saw too. Penny took the high road and she basically won me over last evening. Initially, I did not like her because I was still resistant towards Callie coupling with another. Last night, I saw a lot of substance in her. Calzona is definitely a done deal short of a highly unlikely miracle done by Shonda and company. Sad as it sounds like Sara is on her way out. I hope AZ wins custody next week

  • ukfan

    Thank you for explaining, looks like I need to sit down and watch the episode.

    I'm starting to agree that Calzona are not endgame, disheartening to say the least.

    Recent tweet by someone "@SaraRamirez Thanks for all the delicious memories you've given us. We miss you already!" ... don't know whether to read too much into that.

  • mfeo

    ya I dunno...it seems odd that she would be tweeting a spoiler or that shonda would allow her...guess the big question is does she ride off into the sunset with penny and sofia (which would explain the scene that jcap does that is emotional) or does shonda kill her off..I don't really see that happening...I think shonda will give callie her happy ending..who knows maybe she will arrive back in seattle next season to tell AZ she is the love of her life afterall ....

  • Mia

    Remember on this show anything can happen at any time.Things change every episode.So I don't count Calzona out.

  • ukfan

    I hope by the end of the season things will be clear as to where this is all heading, don't think I would be able to handle a cliff-hanger of 'does she stay or does she go".

  • Mia

    Sounds like something they would do though.

  • mfeo

    I read that this years finale is more shocking than last years...so I doubt it will be a stay or go...at least I hope not...I do not see how at this point they can put calzone together again..they have a bad history, they have been apart for years, callie is in love with someone else , and now they are bitterly fighting and going to court for custody..

  • Chips

    Not sure how you think that last years ending was shocking...it was just everyone dancing it out at Mer/Der place and her deciding to go back to her old house?

  • Radiancegrace

    It's up to the writers and for a long time they have been showing us they are moving further apart not closer. Would not be realistic at this point, imo, to expect anything different. I am with you, Mfeo

  • mfeo

    the only thing I can think of what at the start of the season they planned on moving them closer but if Sara said she didn't want to come back they really had no choice but to write them separately..if however sara does come back and all the moving/dying speculation is wrong I don't know wtf the writers have been thinking..lol

    what I do know though is that after every big departure or breakup there is speculation the ratings will crash and so far the show has survived Christina leaving, mark and lexie dying, Derek dying and calzone breaking up

  • Anonymous

    I was initially afraid that Sara would be leaving and it is definitely the end for Calzona. However after that tweet, I am sceptical that she is leaving. I don't think she'll tweet if she really was really leaving http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/28/greys-anatomy-sara-ramirez-tweet-13-season.

    Anyhow, wasn't the exit supposed to be death and a big climax greater than last year with Derek leaving? Her going to NY doesn't fit the bill, it's too predictable.

    I still hope for Calzona but the writers are idiots. If they are going to have Callie go her way and want to bring someone back for AZ, how about the Dr she cheated with, what was her name again?

  • Radiancegrace

    Some of us referred to the girl Az messed with as Dr. Coffee. Someone refresh our memory on what her real name was?

  • Mfeo

    Lauren Boswell

  • Cafan

    The writers are idiots,lol anonymous.I'm with ya.

  • ukfan

    Anyone find it odd that callie says the only reason she is alive today is because she is a mother ... sone really odd things coming out if her mouth this season.

  • Anonymous

    How messed up would it be if they killed Sophia off.

  • Anonymous

    You got a point... Coming up to episode 22, promise from Ellen, AZ will rip our hearts out. Mama tried, she couldn't save her?

  • ukfan

    Probably a little too dark for Grey's.

  • J.J.

    I've been trying to figure out if Sara stayed how Callie & Arizona could be salvaged. And I was thinking that maybe Callie is using Penny as a substitute Arizona. The way that the storylines are so similar to each other, and also the first time Arizona met Penny I think I remember she said Penny was like her. I was just wondering if Callie is holding on to Penny the way she is, is because she is so much like Arizona. And why didn't they ever give Arizona a girlfriend? I still feel 75% sure Sara is probably leaving. But I don't really see Arizona getting full custody of Sofia. It's in Shonda's hands so who knows.

  • Cafan

    Remember Arizona saying to Callie,I'm her mama,I'm the only one that can get her to go to sleep.So by that I think Arizona is the one who loses.I have a feeling Callie won't go because Sofia gets sick and Arizona and her will get closer. Everything will get to Callie and she will realize that Penny is just a pale substitute.Arizona is and will always be her true love.She won't be able to deny it any longer.She tried not to love her,but she just can't. :)

  • Anonymous

    I hope you are right, the writers should give the scripting to you :-)

  • Anonymous

    Very very sad it has come to this. I agree with those who feel Sara is leaving, but what a way to go. Maybe the last few episodes will give us a different perspective, and we can resign ourselves to the inevitable. I do feel sad that even after they were divorced, these two had to be put back in such an antagonistic situation. They just couldn't catch a break, ever.
    Penny is pretty perfect, isn't she. I mean, she didn't even complain about how AZ ripped up at her. Maybe Callie needs someone stable like that in her life--though anyone noticing the extreme lack of chemistry between them would have to wonder how long it can last.
    I'm just bitter. I just hope AZ isn't given too much of a raw deal, and that she finds someone to move on with. Not that we can expect that, if we're to go by anything that the writers have done for her up till now.

  • Ukgreys

    Anyone else noticed that the actress that plays Penny is not listed in the guest cast for the finale?

  • ukfan

    Yes, hopefully it means she has just gone without Callie and not that she dies ... that would be the biggest cop out ever.

  • Radiancegrace

    I heard that Penny's name was not on the guest cast, too, in the finale and thought I read it here, on the board. Have noticed the lack of chemistry between her and Callie from day one. I find the coupleship totally absurd. I like Penny, yet apart from Callie. I am no longer fond of Callie. Yet, I will feel very sad if Sara is leaving Greys

  • Mfeo

    Probably just means penny went to ny and Callie and her will have to try the long distance thing..

  • Chips

    As mention by a few people now...Penny has alway stayed out of what's going on with Arizona and Callie and for that matter it wasn't her Idea for Callie to go to NY! With that being said even if Callie wins the court case I think that Penny will see from Arizona's speech how deeply Arizona loves her daughter and what it will mean to her for Callie to take her to NY and with that point it out to Callie how it is all wrong for her to do that! Also maybe realize that Callie still has feelings for AZ. Or better yet for Callie to realize ofter AZ speech that she still loves her and is trying to push those feelings down by being with penny, who, we are told is like AZ? That's my take on this because if something doesn't happen to move them back towards one another, what's going to bring the fans back for next season? Hope that makes sense? Also I really don't see SaRa leaving on this note...Shonda would not have her leave like that?

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