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Thursday, 12 May 2016 18:20

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  • Anonymous

    Anyone watching?

  • Anonymous

    Calzona barely had any scenes and they weren't even in the finale promo.

  • Anonymous

    Is it me or is this a new hospital, the whole front is different, those steps weren't there and the part Webber and Bailey were on is new

  • Anonymous

    This blog is just so pro AZ, I wouldn't be surprised to see comments along the lines of Callie got what she deserved. Blame it all on Callie. Personally I am heart broken, I feel soo bad for Callie. On another note, do you think Joe is already married and that's why she can't accept Alex's proposal? Her response was "I w..." Later "I can't" then "No..." What's that about?

  • ukfan

    When arizona came back from Africa everyone was praising callie for slamming the door in her face and when arizona cheated everyone disliked the story. It depends on the storyline as to whos side people are on, right now callie character seems lost. She didn't want to introduce sofia to penny as she spoke of how she always rushes into things and they gone wrong yet she was willing to move across the country with her daughter so suddenly ... it's probably not out of character as she does rush into things without thinking I.e. marrying george but you would think by now she would have learnt. I do feel bad for callie but she just needs to sometimes take a step back and look at the bigger picture and realise it's not just about her. I love callie but right now she isn't coming across as likable.

  • Anonymous

    For the record when Callie slammed the door in AZ face, I thought that was rude, she had her role to play in it. AZ deciding to go to Africa without Callie was not out of spite but because Callie was clearly not into it. If they had both gone and things didn't pan out, Callie would blame AZ for the move. I was with AZ on that one.

    Cheating granted that is clearly wrong. My point is it is easy to decide between right and wrong, the difficult part is to choose the most right between two wrongs. It is not unreasonable for one person in a divorced couple to move to another state and want their child with them. Granted Callie could've been more sensitive and not blurted things out the way she did. I am not saying Callie doesn't have a role to play in this but so does AZ. Callie tried at least three times to talk with AZ bit she was clearly blocked out. Going to court wasn't Callie's idea it was AZ that got a lawyer. Making their friends choose was as a result of them having to go to court. AZ has as much to be blamed for that even more so than Callie. I know you all don't want to see it, after all I am on Jessica Capshaw blog :-)

  • Molly

    How does Arizona have as much to blame then Callie in that situation??? Do you mean to tell me that if you was in Arizona's situation you wouldn't fight for your child!!! Arizona did try talking to Callie about the move and all Callie could talk about was the apartment, and the school that Sofia would be attending and for the record Arizona only went for the consult at first until the school called her and said that they liked Sofia's application!!! Even Callie at the end of that episode said that she had jumped the gun!!! Arizona didn't want to lose Sofia and no parent would!!! That also would have been really hard on Sofia to lose Arizona because let's be realistic if Callie had actually won sole custody her and Sofia would have moved to New York and how often do you really think that Arizona would actually have gotten to see Sofia??? Since Arizona won the custody Sofia would be able to see both moms!!! Callie had actually tried everything that she knew how to to make Arizona out to be a bad mom!!! Don't get me wrong Arizona has done her fair share of bad things with the cheating and being horrible to Callie which all of that was caused by the PTSD from the plane crash but still she did it!!! So yeah the whole New York thing was all on Callie and the whole cheating and messing up the marriage was all on Arizona!!! I think that they could get through this because they have both been horrible to each other and they could get past it!!! They both still love eachother you could be very upset with one and still love and have feelings for them!!!

  • Radiancegrace

    About, Jo, was wondering that myself
    In regards to Az and Callie, Kevin Mckidd really missed the ball on that one
    Jessica's acting is brilliant. Another episode of her having her voice.
    Az is not jumping for joy with the way things are. I did like her taking her power back these last two episodes
    I thought it was a good show tonight.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe Jo was born a guy

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what an imagination, but that shouldn't stop her from getting married right? If shes legally changed her sex, she is now a woman and even if she hadnt, its allowed. Calzona got married right? BTW if that's the case Alex has the right to be upset, that should be something that one should reveal on a first date. "You know I used to be a ...."

  • Anonymous

    How about Jo is Izzie's younger sister?

  • Mia

    Callie was harsh to Penny.This whole season Callie was someone else,not the Callie we knew.Penny tried to make it work.Even though I want Calzona back together, Callie could of been nicer.I felt bad for Penny,she didn't deserve that.And as for Arizona, she has a right to be mad.

  • Radiancegrace

    I,agree, Mia
    Callie's treatment of Penny could have been a lot better after professing her love for her. Who treats someone as such? Her love was conditional.
    Az really took care of herself last night and Callie's character could use a do over

  • Molly  - Callie and Arizona

    I think that Callie and Arizona are at a point that they have both done wrong by each other, that if they did get back together they could make a fresh start and be ok!!! After Arizona had cheated and they got back together Callie still had a lot of resentment towards her even though Callie tried to make it work with Arizona the whole thing was a bandaid!!! Now that Callie did something wrong they could make a fresh start out of it!!!

  • Anonymous

    I'm not so sure things are really over for Callie and Penny. I think they both really love each other that is why Callie couldn't even look at her. I think this is where Callie will realize what a mess she made of things and reflect and start to move in the direction of being a better person...eventually.. so many different things can happen at this point... they know how to keep us hanging on!

  • Molly

    I definitely think things are over between Callie and Penny!!! You didn't hear what Callie said to Penny when she was in the room with Penny the first time??? Penny said I am trying to help and Callie said you have helped enough!!! When she broke up with Penny there was a little pain but not much!!! Callie Torres is the type that falls really hard for a person and if she was breaking up with her but still wanting to be with her then she would have been crying a lot harder!!! If Penny and Callie was going to get back together they would have made Samantha Saylon a regular on the show a long time ago instead of a guess star!!! They are done, which I am glad for 2 reasons one Callie and her did not mesh well together they too me was really hard to watch and second of all I am a big Callie and Arizona fan!! Shonda really should have not had messed with there relationship like she did!!! They were happy and loved eachother before the plane crash and I believe that they could get that love back!!! They both have messed up with eachother so if they do get back together they could make a fresh start with eachother not saying it's going to happen this episode but eventually!!

  • ukfan

    It's weird this whole season I have wanted penny out of the picture but the way it ended just felt wrong. Callie said she loves her and yet didn't even contemplate making it work long distance, she just ended it. It now makes me wonder what the point of her character was because it's just made callie look a bad person for wanting to move on with her life and it's odd that one half of calzona has to look bad for the other person to rise ...it's incredibly bad writing.

  • Beetle

    Just watched it. I feel for both Callie and Arizona. I really don't know what's going to happen. Maybe Arizona will back of and let Callie have Sofia. Maybe Callie will leave with Penny and just come home over the weekends or maybe Callie and Arizona will work on being civil again.

    I get why Arizona said the things she said but it did feel a bit harsh. Let's hope Callie doesn't do anything rash. She feels a bit depressed and while I agreed with the judge's decision last week I can't help but be worried about Callie.

  • Mia

    It does seem like they have to pit one against the other. Arizona does something bad or wrong, then Callie's good.Then Callie's bad ,Arizona's good.Then the ultimate,they want us to choose a side?What is going on with this writing staff?They could have gone so many other ways,Sofia got kidnapped and they have to work together to get her back so they actually learn how to communicate etc...Just one way they could of gone.

  • Molly

    True Callie and Arizona fans wouldn't pick sides!!! I am for both!!! Both have made bad decisions, both I believe still love eachother!!!

  • ukfan

    How long had penny and callie been dating?

  • Chips

    I know that I am late to this discussion but it has been a very painful season 12 for all Calzona fans! We have not seen any progress from Arizona and Callie on their relationship throughout season 12! Now we get this cop out that Callis is going to NY with Penny who she never committed to until the last minute! What the hell is going on with Callie? This has got to be the weakest SL that Grey's has every done. Callie has been so OOC all season and I was waiting to seen what would bring her head out of the clouds and it was Sofia! I really don't know what else to say?
    I will be back, but I don't expect much from the last episode?

  • Mia

    You know what we all need to give ourselves a hand for hanging in there this long.We wait and wait and get what?This SL?Cheers to all of us for being great fans and GA would of been canceled long ago if it wasn't for us.So clap it up, we're awesome! :)

  • mfeo

    Hey Ukfan, I was trying to figure out how long callie and penny have been together and I'm guessing 6-8 months. I think in the trial episode penny said something about getting to know and love sofia these past few months and callie was with her before that for quite a bit but who knows in greys land.

  • Dazed

    I have been watching older GA episodes, starting from when Callie and Arizona met for the first time. All I can say is, I still don't know how GA and Shonda turned this beautiful thing into the mess it is now. There was SO much more they could have done with these two brilliant actresses, characters and their chemistry -you don't get it all everyday. They have changed so much that the actors/characters even LOOK different to me. In particular, looking at Arizona in last episode (I don't think I've see her this harsh -- perhaps right after her leg amputation --she pulls off the harshness to a T) she just seems like another person. The way Meredith and Christina never changed. Part of me also thinks Jcap has changed her acting a bit, but may be that's just me. Callie is more consistent but then her character has become unbearable.
    I wasn't so involved in GA in season 11, which went by like a blur once these two broke up, but I still don't get how they ended up being divorced. Tbh, I never realized they were actually divorced until this trial; largely because it was something I never would have imagined to happen so I probably never accepted it. For some reason I kept thinking they are separated and will get back together soon, even though the way things kept moving it was obvious that it was never going to be the right thing. But now, it just seems like they have moved on way too much. Now, I don't even care if they fight or are friends. Because probably we will get better scenes if they fight.

    I do agree with Shonda though that once the cheating storyline took place, there was just too much that had happened, from africa, pregnancy, leg, that it was just better for them to figure themselves out and then decide. Now I'm not sure if it ever makes sense for them to be more than cordial, if at all.

    I am just rambling....

  • mfeo

    First sneak peek is out..all owen and Amelia
    boring......

  • Amberlee2407

    I don't think that I have ever been more frustrated with a tv show than I am right now. This season has been rough to watch, especially with Penny in the picture. Callie and Arizona were my favorite t.v. couple and I was beyond pissed, and heartbroken when Shonda broke them up in the first place. It's been nothing but difficult to watch ever since then. I've continued to watch the show and I've been nothing but hopeful that something would bring them back together. I have maintained a glimmer of hope since they divorced, but at this point in time it's fading, fast. I've had to start asking the question "how in the heck would she even bring these two back together after everything that has happened?" Think about it, how many divorced couples that go through custody battles come back together? I'm truly hoping that in Shondaland, where anything CAN and Will happen as she deems fit, our girls can and will have a happily ever after. It makes me sad that Callie and Arizona's failed marriage and custody concerns are why Jackson and April are working things out. That's great for Jackson and April, but what about Calzona? Are they only meant to be an example of "what not to do"? We have one episode left in this season, SaRa may or may not be leaving Grey's, and I feel like it's too small a time slot to have so many of our questions answered. They're not even mentioned in the sneak peak for this week's episode, and they're hardly discussed in articles regarding the finale which leaves me to believe that a) there will not be very much of them in the episode, or b) something terrible will happen with them and all of the media discussions about other characters on the show will have been nothing more than a diversion to the fate of Calzona. I know, maybe that's me thinking out on a limb, but I don't have a good feeling about this finale. Maybe this sounds extreme, but if Callie dies, or we find out that there is truly no shred of hope left for a relationship for our girls, I'll probably be buying a one-way ticket out of Shondaland for good. Thanks for the ride.

  • Amberlee2407

    I meant to say in my last post that no matter what happens in this episode I'm praying that Callie or Arizona will break down and profess some sort of undying love (in my dreams), OR Arizona will break down and tell Callie how she feels. After she told Callie on the bench during episode 22 “The things that you let them say about me, I would have never done that to you.” I'm hoping that, and obviously losing custody of Sofia and the outburst from AZ in the last episode will open Callie's eyes to the possibility that Arizona was what she wanted all along and that Penny was just a filler person for her. All of the Callie/Penny interactions that mirrored Calzona interactions showed that Callie was obviously wanting the same things in life but trying to accomplish those things with someone else could not be done, especially when AZ got custody of Sofia. Callie has lost and is lost. I'm truly hoping that Arizona can help her find herself again.

  • Molly

    Also if you think about the whole Callie and Arizona thing!!! We saw Callie with George and they kind of made a cute couple but they were so off and on that it got bad fast!!! Callie and Erica was super hard to watch they made a horrible coupe reasoning why she got booted off the show so fast!!! Penny in my opinion was too whiney she would cry at the drop of a hat!!! Also Samantha's acting not very good!!! Callie and Arizona made the perfect couple!!! They made Greys Anatomy a lot more enjoyable!!! If it hadn't have been for the plane crash I believe they would still be together!!! I believe though that they will get back together!!!

  • Radiancegrace

    The Callie and Penny SL was a joke, imo. It seemed to try and imitate Calzona's authentic and believable chemistry and I also wondered wtf is Shonda doing?! Penny hadn't anything on Az. Totally, bland and blazah. Any scene Az and Callie share motivates one to sit up and take notice as a result of a very real and believable presence. It actually felt painful watching any scenes with Callie and Penny. Totally, not believable, none of it.
    I agree, does not look good for much Callie and Az screen time in the finale, unless we are going to have one heck of an unexpected moment between them. Always allow myself to experience a similar hope only to have it quickly dissipate following each episode. I cannot see how after all that has happened how they could possibly turn back towards each other now

  • Mia

    Sofia can turn them back towards each other.

  • ukfan

    As cheesy as this is going to sound there is an Ellie Goulding song with the lyrics “you had to love someone else just to know your worth” and I really thought that was where they were going with the Callie & Penny storyline, that Callie was going to grow as a person and truly begin to realise her own worth but then here we are in which Callie tried to take her daughter away from Seattle just because she doesn’t work alone and it makes me wonder if the purpose of Penny actually wasn’t for Callie but for Meredith. They needed a reason to bring back Meredith’s demons and it couldn’t be that Penny just rocked up on her own with no one on her side to defend her and so they attached her to Callie. But we’ve seen Meredith be used to the idea that Derek is gone and surgeons make mistakes and her life can continue ... that’s the only justification I can think of as to why Penny was here because if it was for the Calzona storyline to move forward then they did a really bad job. As for Calzona I think they can move forward but it feels like we’ve been pushed back to the day in which Callie walked out of the therapist room to give them both their freedom, most fans as sad as they felt thought this would give them room to grow as individuals to come back to one another but it feels again that at least Callie needs room to grow before she can reunite with Arizona. It’s that whole ‘I don’t work on my own’ speech that makes me not want them together right now, they both need to feel confident enough within themselves to allow another person in their lives. I hear there is another time jump in the new episode and so any reconciliation as co parents/friends will once again be glossed over.

  • no joke

    Can't copy it, but there's a new spoiler section at livejournal.

  • no joke- Spoiler Alert ... Po

    From. Livejournal...Spoiler. alert. Season finale - CALZONA SPOILERS!
    So, from a person who already saw the season finale, I picked up a few informations about Calzona:

    Apparently, there is just one scene with Callie and it involves Arizona and Sofia.
    "Callie has only one scene of dialogue and it's a bit of a doozy."

    There is a few scenes with Arizona.
    "Very little JCap. She has a few quick scenes (one with Bailey, one with Bailey / Jackson... one with Callie which is memorable.) "

    The part about Calzona scenes, that person said this:

    "I don't really want to give anything away about that. Early on Arizona mentions that Sofia keeps asking why mommy (Callie) is so sad. The Calzona scene also includes Sofia and I would call it the big surprise of the episode, although it isn't the actual last scene. It definitely addresses Callie's status and where she stands with Arizona."

  • Radiancegrace

    Thank you, No Joke! Sounds good. I liked the heads up!

  • ukfan

    Grey's Anatomy finale, hope for the best and prepare for the worst or a massive let down.

  • mfeo

    even if there is a couple of month time jump I just don't see how they can suddenly have sparks...they don't even like each other much right now...and callie should still be getting over penny...guess we will wait and see..i still think it will be az asking callie to come over for dinner with her and sofia...just enough so we all tune in next season...if they made it clear it was over between them she may lose viewers for S13

  • Molly

    Never said that they was going to fall inlove with eachother and live happily ever after it just said that a spark will go from the 2 of them going from mortal enemies to the love that they used to have will respark in an unusual way!!! We will have to see though!!! I think when Sofia keeps asking for Callie I think that she will realize that she needs to stop being so stubborn and go back to sharing Sofia!!! Sofia needs both of her moms!!!

  • no joke

    Totally, ukfan. Even with this so-called spoiler information, there's really nothing new. No surprise that Callie is sad, even devastated.

    Btw, the tweet or gram or whatever about Arizona breaking our hearts, has that happened? Was that when she was in the car sobbing with Webber? I didn't watch 3 eps so I may have missed it. Anyone know?

  • Molly

    It has happens when Ellen said that Jessica Capshaw was going to rip our hearts out that was episode 22!! My guess is either when she was testifying or at the very end when she is hugging Sofia and looking upset!!!

  • no joke

    Thanks, Molly. I did watch that ep. It actually did not rip my heart out as much as having my heart being whipped by the Shonda Stick for several years. No doubt, definitely heart wrenching for both mothers and child to go through that type of custody battle.

  • Molly

    Your welcome!!! Yeah I think Ellen Pompeo was just trying to mess with us with that comment that she had made!!! It really didn't rip my heart either!!! I am the type that cries through everything and I didn't cry once!!! Although it was sad that Callie lost I was also relieved that Arizona won because that meant that Callie would stay and not move to New York!!! I love both characters and want them to be in the what I believe to be the last season!!!

  • Dazed

    Yeah much as I want them to be together, I don't see how that is going to happen, now or ever. There's been too much time (3 years? in our timeline it is 1 year and 7 months and Shondaland generally adds a year or two as well), moving on with other people, lives, and baggage to be honest.

    Much as I want it, it will feel forced. There was never a need for the cheating storyline....they recovered from Africa, pregnancy and the leg, but this is now too much to move on from.

  • Molly

    Not really, what Callie did to Arizona was just as bad as what Arizona did to Callie!!! They both have done wrong with eachother and they could come back from it and make a fresh start the love for eachother has always been there!!! Even though they split up they still loved eachother!!! I have seen real people with worse problems divorce for a couple to a few years and come back together because they tried the whole dating other people but there love for eachother was still there and stronger then ever!!! It's Shondland and anything could happen!!!

  • Anonymous

    I just want Callie and Arizona to look at eachother during the wedding the way they did in all of the other weddings. If they glance at eachother as Amelia walks down the aisle then that's enough to make me happy lol

  • Molly

    Lol that would be enough for me too!!! Then next season they could start working on there relationship with eachother and maybe even get back together!!!

  • Anonymous

    What's happening?? Anyone watch? At lj everyone says it's a joke.. Someone want to explain

  • Radiancegrace

    No Az and Callie scene as of yet

  • Molly

    Sara Ramirez isn't coming back!!! No more Callie Torres!!! End of the episode Arizona told Callie to go to New York they are splitting Sofia!!! Arizona and Callie will trade off everyother school year and Arizona gets Sofia the summer and this years Christmas!!! April had her baby!!! Ben delivered the baby c-section at Merediths house!!! Jo told Alex that she wanted a baby but Alex said that he didn't want any of it unless they could get married and she said no again!! Jo went out and got drunk Stephanie stayed with her till she started talking about Kyle and handed her off to Daluca, Daluca took her home and she revealed her secret which was she was already married and the guy that she was married used to beat her and she ran she doesn't want Alex to know because she doesn't want her husband to hurt Alex!!! She started getting undressed in front of Daluca and he was trying to get her to go to bed why he was doing that she pulled him in bed and Alex came up and found him on top of Jo!! He punched Daluca a lot!! It ended there for Jo and Alex!! Amelia ended up getting married to Owen!!! It took her a while she got scared and ran with Meredith and Maggie!!! They went back and she went through with it!!! Maggie revealed to Meredith that she loved Riggs and it ended there!!! I don't think I missed anything!!!

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